[Issue 124538] Impossible to install properly dictionary for Language not listed in Available Languages.

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Rainer Bielefeld <***@bielefeldundbuss.de> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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CC| |***@biel
| |efeldundbuss.de
Summary|Can't properly install |Impossible to install
|dictionary |properly dictionary for
| |Language not listed in
| |Available Languages.

--- Comment #1 from Rainer Bielefeld <***@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
I know about this general issue

@Timo Putzer
I recommend to (additionally) submit an Enhancement Request for your Language
in "Available Languages" - anything else will take quite a lot of time.
I can't tell whether it will be possible that an extension adds an additional
language to the AOO Configuration of an existing installation.

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--- Comment #2 from Ariel Constenla-Haile <***@apache.org> ---
The language is already available on the langtab.src list:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/i18npool/source/isolang/isolang.cxx?revision=1413471&view=markup#l434

434 { LANGUAGE_USER_LOW_GERMAN, "nds", "DE" },

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/svtools/source/misc/langtab.src?revision=1568967&view=markup#l269

269 < "Low German" ; LANGUAGE_USER_LOW_GERMAN ; > ;

According to the ISO standard, "Low German" is correct:
http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=nds

You will find it in the "Font" tab page, but not in "Tools - Options... -
Language Settings - Languages - Default languages for documents - Western"
because there is no locale data for it, and these listbox only list known
locales:

LANG_LIST_WESTERN | LANG_LIST_ONLY_KNOWN in
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/cui/source/options/optgdlg.cxx?revision=1568967&view=markup#l1289
cf.
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/cui/source/tabpages/chardlg.cxx?revision=1568967&view=markup#l660


The dictionary is installed, and works, so looks like this bug is invalid.

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Rainer Bielefeld <***@bielefeldundbuss.de> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Summary|Impossible to install |Can't properly install
|properly dictionary for |dictionary
|Language not listed in |"LANGUAGE_USER_LOW_GERMAN"
|Available Languages. |

--- Comment #3 from Rainer Bielefeld <***@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
Reproducible with "AOO 4.0.1 Release – German UI / German locale
[AOO401m5(Build:9714) - Rev. 1524958 2013-09-20 11:40:29]" on German WIN7
Home Premium (64bit)", “historic” 4.0 User Profile used for all predecessor
versions

I installed the dictionary without any error message, and after installation
"Niederdeutsch (Low German) has a checkmark in menu 'Format -> Character ->
Font (Tab) - Language'.
But the dictionary / language does not work and usage is completely unusable. I
found following issues (what might need some separate bug submissions).

Found Problems:
---------------

(a) Dictionary does not work (might be a problem of the Dictionary and not
with AOO, I can't tell): Open document I will attach with a short poem from

<http://www.plattdeutsch.net/pages/platt-lesen/gedichte-und-geschichten.php#mien>.
After having modified language with
'Format -> Character -> Font (Tab) - Language' to
"Niederdeutsch" (Low German)
Bug: still all words of the text will be recognized as misspelled.
(b) Language can not be selected as default document language in 'Tools ->
Options -> Language Settings -> Languages', because it's not listed.
That is unintuitive
(c) In my German AOO the language is listed in alphabetical order as
"Niederdeutsch" far away from "German". That is not without logic, for
example "Friesisch" or even more
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Franconian_languages>
can not clearly be associated to a current Standard Language. But so
those languages are difficult to find, especially if you use a
UI with a foreign language.

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--- Comment #4 from Rainer Bielefeld <***@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
Created attachment 83016
--> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=83016&action=edit
Sample Document

After installation of Low German Dictionary and having changed language for the
text with menu 'Format -> Character' or 'Tools -> Language' still all words
will be considered misspelled.

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--- Comment #5 from Ariel Constenla-Haile <***@apache.org> ---
(In reply to Rainer Bielefeld from comment #4)

Created attachment 83016 [details]
Sample Document
After installation of Low German Dictionary and having changed language for
the text with menu 'Format -> Character' or 'Tools -> Language' still all
words will be considered misspelled.

But this might be related to a bug in the dictionary itself (the file
nds_DE.aff has zero bytes). In the OpenOffice side, there does not seem to be a
bug:
- the extension can be installed
- the listbox in the "Font" tab page shows "Low German" with the image
lngcheck.png which means that a dictionary for this language is installed.

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--- Comment #6 from Timo Putzer <***@gmx.de> ---
(In reply to Ariel Constenla-Haile from comment #5)

Post by b***@apache.org
(In reply to Rainer Bielefeld from comment #4)

Created attachment 83016 [details]
Sample Document
After installation of Low German Dictionary and having changed language for
the text with menu 'Format -> Character' or 'Tools -> Language' still all
words will be considered misspelled.

But this might be related to a bug in the dictionary itself (the file
nds_DE.aff has zero bytes). In the OpenOffice side, there does not seem to
- the extension can be installed
- the listbox in the "Font" tab page shows "Low German" with the image
lngcheck.png which means that a dictionary for this language is installed.

The dictionary itself is still work in progress, that may be a reason for the
false detections. Another reason may be the lack of an agreed orthography
standard for the Low German / Low Saxon language. I checked this against
http://www.plattdeutsch.net/pages/platt-lesen/gedichte-und-geschichten.php#mien
and except for a few words the dictionary appears to be working correctly. An
empty affix file (.aff) does not indicate a corrupt dictionary since the use of
prefix and suffix rules is optional. (This may be addressed in later versions
of the dictionary)

So this being not technically a bug, but rather a missing language
implementation I assume this issue should be closed. Now where do I have to go
to get the locale data added to OpenOffice so that "Low German" will show up
under "Language Settings - Languages - Default languages for documents -
Western"?

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--- Comment #7 from Ariel Constenla-Haile <***@apache.org> ---
(In reply to Timo Putzer from comment #6)

Post by b***@apache.org
Now where do I have to
go to get the locale data added to OpenOffice so that "Low German" will show
up under "Language Settings - Languages - Default languages for documents -
Western"?

You need to create a new bug report, see Bug 117857 for example. The locale
data file must be licensed under the Apache License v2, and attached to that
bug report.
You'll find other locale data files under
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/i18npool/source/localedata/data/
You can ask for help on the localization mailing list:
***@openoffice.apache.org

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--- Comment #8 from Ariel Constenla-Haile <***@apache.org> ---
(In reply to Ariel Constenla-Haile from comment #7)

Post by b***@apache.org
You need to create a new bug report, see Bug 117857 for example. The locale
data file must be licensed under the Apache License v2, and attached to that
bug report.
You'll find other locale data files under
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/i18npool/source/
localedata/data/

I forgot to mention the main article:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_submit_new_Locale_Data
It might be outdated.

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Timo Putzer <***@gmx.de> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
Resolution|--- |NOT_AN_ISSUE

--- Comment #9 from Timo Putzer <***@gmx.de> ---
Thank you I will look into that.

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--- Comment #10 from Rainer Bielefeld <***@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
(In reply to Timo Putzer from comment #6)

Post by b***@apache.org
except for a few words the dictionary appears to be working
correctly.

Not for me. I created a text.odt with few words "Ächterasse" ...
"Ächterbeenkes" copied from "nds-DE.dic": All considered misspelled although
your dict. is installed, text language Lower German, ...

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--- Comment #11 from Ariel Constenla-Haile <***@apache.org> ---
(In reply to Rainer Bielefeld from comment #10)

Post by b***@apache.org
(In reply to Timo Putzer from comment #6)

Post by b***@apache.org
except for a few words the dictionary appears to be working
correctly.

Not for me. I created a text.odt with few words "Ächterasse" ...
"Ächterbeenkes" copied from "nds-DE.dic": All considered misspelled although
your dict. is installed, text language Lower German, ...

The extension in attachment 83014 is broken, you can fix it by renaming
nds-DE.dic to nds_DE.dic so that it matches the location in dictionaries.xcu,
or by fixing dictionaries.xcu to match the file path.

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--- Comment #12 from Rainer Bielefeld <***@bielefeldundbuss.de> ---
(In reply to Ariel Constenla-Haile from comment #11)

The extension in attachment 83014 [details] is broken, you can fix it by
renaming nds-DE.dic to nds_DE.dic

I should have seen that, thank you for the hint.